Monday, March 07, 2005

The McCartney family and the DUP

The McCartneys have become Ian Paisley's puppets:

The DUP has urged its supporters to vote for the sister of 'Gentle Giant' IRA murder victim, Robert McCartney.

The shock call was made by Assemblyman Sammy Wilson after Sunday Life revealed that Paula McCartney was considering standing as an Independent in May's local government elections.

Urging DUP voters to use their transfers to support Paula, Mr Wilson said: "I think people have been amazed by the McCartney family's courage.

"Paula McCartney is better placed to take on Sinn Fein than me - that's why DUP voters should support her if she decides to stand."

It seems that the McCartneys will ally themselves with the enemies of the indigenous Irish population in their attempt to stick it to Sinn Fein over the actions of one foolish, drunken IRA member.

22 Comments:

At 2:56 PM, Blogger John said...

While I agree with the main thrust of your post , I cannot agree with the comment " ... over the actions of one foolish, drunken IRA member.... " .
A remark like that will bring the rest of the post into disrepute , and will hand anti-Republicans a 'weapon' with which to belittle us all .

Sharon ( '1169 ... ').

 
At 10:04 AM, Blogger Diarmid said...

But this whole tragedy seems to have been caused by the destructive actions of one or two individuals who had been drinking too much that night.

 
At 3:01 PM, Blogger John said...

But this whole tragedy seems to have been caused by the destructive actions of one or two individuals who had been drinking too much that night. Unfortunately , it was more than "one or two individuals... " - seven people expelled by PSF , three by PIRA .
And apparently at least 14 so-called 'republicans' involved altogether . If we try to 'downplay' the incident as 'horseplay' that got out of hand because of alcohol then we do ourselves a dis-service as well as the community .

Sharon.

 
At 3:46 PM, Blogger Diarmid said...

Actually it looks like only two people were involved, not 14. Others have been temporarily expelled pending investigation. "Horseplay" is your word, not mine. What I am saying is that this is most likely the stupidity and violence of one or two individuals, not the actions of some massive conspiracy.

 
At 2:51 AM, Blogger John said...

" Actually it looks like only two people were involved, not 14. Others have been temporarily expelled pending investigation. "Horseplay" is your word, not mine. What I am saying is that this is most likely the stupidity and violence of one or two individuals, not the actions of some massive conspiracy. "

"Massive conspiracy... " are your words , not mine . What happened to Mr. McCartney should not be described as an act of " stupidity and violence... " - it goes much deeper than that ; it shows an attitude on the part of the PIRA that they apparently believe themselves to be 'untouchable' and should be allowed to do whatever they want in their community . In their eyes , McCartney 'challenged' their 'authority' . Your continued assertion that only two people were involved goes against the known facts of the case , and makes it appear that Republicans are attempting to 'gloss-over' the issue , or play it down . Almost as if you believe the man had it coming to him .

Sharon .

 
At 9:57 AM, Blogger Diarmid said...

What happened to Mr. McCartney should not be described as an act of " stupidity and violence... " - it goes much deeper than that ; it shows an attitude on the part of the PIRA that they apparently believe themselves to be 'untouchable' and should be allowed to do whatever they want in their community . In their eyes , McCartney 'challenged' their 'authority' . Your continued assertion that only two people were involved goes against the known facts of the case , and makes it appear that Republicans are attempting to 'gloss-over' the issue , or play it down . Almost as if you believe the man had it coming to him.

From your posts I can tell that you are either a unionist or a dissident republican (the fact that it is hard to tell the difference says a lot about dissident republicanism). As much as you want to believe that the entire Provisional IRA killed Robert McCartney, the facts don't support your fantasies. As difficult as you find it to accept reality, this crime was the action of one or two men. The fact that the Provisional IRA has offered to kill these two men shows that the organisation does not support what happened to Robert McCartney.

 
At 5:35 PM, Blogger John said...

"From your posts I can tell that you are either a unionist or a dissident republican.... "
- You have my blog listed on your site-links; did you not check it out before you did so ? I am not a "unionist" , but I do "dissent" from British mis-rule in this country ; has'nt that always been the case with true Irish Republicans ? Or what do you mean by "dissident " ?

" As much as you want to believe that the entire Provisional IRA killed Robert McCartney... "
- please show me where I stated that . Why do you attempt to cloud the issue by putting someone else's words in my mouth ?

"this crime was the action of one or two men. "
- Ten men (to date) expelled from the Provisional movement over the actions of "one or two men ... " ? Why ? In your first post , you stated it was - "one foolish, drunken IRA member.... " . You contradict yourself now .

" The fact that the Provisional IRA has offered to kill these two men shows that the organisation does not support what happened to Robert McCartney. "
- "Offered" ? Why did'nt they go ahead and just DO it ? They approached the McCartney sisters and ASKED them if they wanted it done - why ? To implicate them in the belief that , by being implicated , they would have to remain silent ?
A word of advice , Diarmid - don't mind what they say ; watch what they do .

Sharon.

 
At 9:56 AM, Blogger Diarmid said...

You have my blog listed on your site-links; did you not check it out before you did so ? I am not a "unionist" , but I do "dissent" from British mis-rule in this country ; has'nt that always been the case with true Irish Republicans ? Or what do you mean by "dissident " ?

I was merely pointing that you dissidents sound like unionists in your endless attacks on mainstream Irish republicanism.

please show me where I stated that . Why do you attempt to cloud the issue by putting someone else's words in my mouth ?

You keep trying to blame the entire mainstream Irish republican movement for the actions of two men.

Ten men (to date) expelled from the Provisional movement over the actions of "one or two men ... " ? Why ? In your first post , you stated it was - "one foolish, drunken IRA member.... " . You contradict yourself now .

I originally thought it was the actions of one man but it now turns out to be those of two. The other men were temporarily expelled until an investigation could be completed into the murder.

"Offered" ? Why did'nt they go ahead and just DO it ? They approached the McCartney sisters and ASKED them if they wanted it done - why ? To implicate them in the belief that , by being implicated , they would have to remain silent ?
A word of advice , Diarmid - don't mind what they say ; watch what they do
.

They asked the sisters because they wanted to respect the wishes of the McCartney family as much as they possibly could. You are now condemning the mainstream Irish republican movement for respecting the wishes of the family.

 
At 3:00 PM, Blogger John said...

" I was merely pointing that you dissidents sound like unionists in your endless attacks on mainstream Irish republicanism."

--- " you dissidents ... " ? What are we - a disease ?
"Mainstream Irish Republicanism ... " - by which you mean constitutional (so-called) 'republicanism' : like Fianna Fail .

" You keep trying to blame the entire mainstream Irish republican movement for the actions of two men."

-- What were thugs like those people doing in the Provos in the first place ? And who let them in ? They ARE responsible for the actions of their members , and now seem to be shouldering that responsibility .

" I originally thought it was the actions of one man but it now turns out to be those of two. The other men were temporarily expelled until an investigation could be completed into the murder."

--- will you be on here next week explaining "that you originally thought it was the actions ... " of only two men ?

" They asked the sisters because they wanted to respect the wishes of the McCartney family as much as they possibly could. You are now condemning the mainstream Irish republican movement for respecting the wishes of the family. "

--- "respect the wishes of the McCartney family ... " ? I suspect that family would have preferred to have been shown "respect" by not having the man butchered in the first place .

You never answered my question re why you consider me to be "a dissident" for dissenting from British mis-rule ?

Sharon .

 
At 10:08 AM, Blogger Diarmid said...

" you dissidents ... " ? What are we - a disease ?

Your words, not mine.

"Mainstream Irish Republicanism ... " - by which you mean constitutional (so-called) 'republicanism' : like Fianna Fail .

No, I mean Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA.

What were thugs like those people doing in the Provos in the first place ? And who let them in ? They ARE responsible for the actions of their members , and now seem to be shouldering that responsibility .

So the leadership of the Provisional IRA should have had psychic powers so they could see into the future and know that these men would do something like this? There is no way that the PIRA could have seen this coming.

will you be on here next week explaining "that you originally thought it was the actions ... " of only two men ?

If that is what the evidence shows then yes. So far, this looks like the work of two men at most.

"respect the wishes of the McCartney family ... " ? I suspect that family would have preferred to have been shown "respect" by not having the man butchered in the first place .

Once again you are implying that it was the entire mainstream Irish republican movement that murdered Robert McCartney instead of the criminal actions of two men.

You never answered my question re why you consider me to be "a dissident" for dissenting from British mis-rule ?

Where have you dissented from British mis-rule? All of your allegations could have come directly from the Belfast Newsletter or the DUP. Like most dissidents, all you want to do is attack mainstream Irish republicanism.

 
At 1:54 PM, Blogger John said...

" Your words, not mine. "
--- So you DO consider RSF to be a disease , is that what you are afraid to state , in clear English , in this thread ? Yes or no , Diarmuid ?

" No, I mean Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA. "
-- a Leinster House-registered political party and its armed supporters are , in your words - "mainstream Irish republicans " ? What a truly daft notion !

" So the leadership of the Provisional IRA should have had psychic powers so they could see into the future and know that these men would do something like this? There is no way that the PIRA could have seen this coming. "
--- "Psychic powers... " ? Where did you get that (equally daft !) notion from ? Have they stopped vetting prospective members ? Do they no longer check-out same in the community from which they come ? Or do they , in fact , rely on their "psychic powers ... " ?

"If that is what the evidence shows then yes. So far, this looks like the work of two men at most."
-- 3 PIRA expelled , 7 PSF expelled : but only two of whom are responsible . Makes sense !

"Once again you are implying that it was the entire mainstream Irish republican movement that murdered Robert McCartney instead of the criminal actions of two men."
-- Is PIRA no longer responsible for the actions of its members ?
'Republicanism' is not a 'mafia'-type organisation , Diarmuid , where those who are 'off-duty' run their own scams and/or throw their weight around in their community . But then again , the Provisionals left Republicanism in 1986 when they went constitutional . So perhaps they are a 'mafia' of sorts .

" Where have you dissented from British mis-rule? All of your allegations could have come directly from the Belfast Newsletter or the DUP. Like most dissidents, all you want to do is attack mainstream Irish republicanism. "
-- An earlier post of mine on this thread = - 'You have my blog listed on your site-links; did you not check it out before you did so ? I am not a "unionist" , but I do "dissent" from British mis-rule in this country ; has'nt that always been the case with true Irish Republicans ? Or what do you mean by "dissident " ? ' : THAT is where I have "dissented from British mis-rule" . Do you not read the replies I post here ?
I also "dissent from British mis-rule " , every day , in my 'blog' which , as I have stated here previously , is listed in a link from your blog ; do you not read the blogs you link to , either ?

Sharon.

 
At 2:21 PM, Blogger Diarmid said...

So you DO consider RSF to be a disease , is that what you are afraid to state , in clear English , in this thread ? Yes or no , Diarmuid ?

Where did I say that I consider RSF to be a disease?

a Leinster House-registered political party and its armed supporters are , in your words - "mainstream Irish republicans " ? What a truly daft notion !

How would you define mainstream Irish republicanism?

"Psychic powers... " ? Where did you get that (equally daft !) notion from ? Have they stopped vetting prospective members ? Do they no longer check-out same in the community from which they come ? Or do they , in fact , rely on their "psychic powers ... " ?

How can the IRA know if any of their potential recruits would go on to commit an act of violence such as the murder of Robert McCartney?

3 PIRA expelled , 7 PSF expelled : but only two of whom are responsible . Makes sense !

Only to you.

Is PIRA no longer responsible for the actions of its members ?
'Republicanism' is not a 'mafia'-type organisation , Diarmuid , where those who are 'off-duty' run their own scams and/or throw their weight around in their community . But then again , the Provisionals left Republicanism in 1986 when they went constitutional . So perhaps they are a 'mafia' of sorts
.

Are you saying that once someone joins the IRA then the organisation becomes responsible for every single act they commit even if the perpetrator was not acting under the orders of the IRA at the time? This wasn't a scam. This was some drunken lout who thought he had the right to kill anyone that he didn't like.

An earlier post of mine on this thread = - 'You have my blog listed on your site-links; did you not check it out before you did so ? I am not a "unionist" , but I do "dissent" from British mis-rule in this country ; has'nt that always been the case with true Irish Republicans ? Or what do you mean by "dissident " ? ' : THAT is where I have "dissented from British mis-rule" . Do you not read the replies I post here ?
I also "dissent from British mis-rule " , every day , in my 'blog' which , as I have stated here previously , is listed in a link from your blog ; do you not read the blogs you link to , either
?

I am talking about your comments here most of which could easily have been made by a member of the DUP. The reality is that the murder of Robert McCartney was most likely the actions of a couple of men and not some vast IRA conspiracy.

 
At 1:15 PM, Blogger John said...

" Where did I say that I consider RSF to be a disease? "
-- I asked if you considered RSF to be "a disease" , to which you replied - "Your words , not mine " . From that I take it you agree with that 'description' ? Or can you tell me otherwise , Diarmuid ?

" How would you define mainstream Irish republicanism? "
-- I would never consider Irish Republicans to be "mainstream" in the first place . 'Mainstream' as opposed to what , exactly ?

" How can the IRA know if any of their potential recruits would go on to commit an act of violence such as the murder of Robert McCartney? "
-- by vetting them and making enquiries in their community - as has always been done (prior to 1986 anyway).

"Only to you."
-- I pointed out that ten people had been expelled from the Provisionals , you claimed , in a post , that only "one drunken man " was responsible . I asked did that make sense ? You replied as per the above quote .
Not an answer , Diarmuid .


"Are you saying that once someone joins the IRA then the organisation becomes responsible for every single act they commit even if the perpetrator was not acting under the orders of the IRA at the time? This wasn't a scam. This was some drunken lout who thought he had the right to kill anyone that he didn't like."

-- I am saying that head-cases like that should never have been accepted in the first place . The PIRA have fouled their own name and standing by allowing people like those to join .

" I am talking about your comments here most of which could easily have been made by a member of the DUP. The reality is that the murder of Robert McCartney was most likely the actions of a couple of men and not some vast IRA conspiracy. "
-- The "conspiracy" remark I have already addressed . And your comments here , Diarmuid , could have been made by any of the Provo-camp 'clones' for whom their organisation can do no wrong . Follow the policy , not the man . Think things through for yourself , even if that means questioning part policy .

Sharon .

 
At 9:53 AM, Blogger Diarmid said...

I asked if you considered RSF to be "a disease" , to which you replied - "Your words , not mine " . From that I take it you agree with that 'description' ? Or can you tell me otherwise , Diarmuid ?

You are the one who used the word disease, not me. Personally, I regard the dissidents as a bunch of losers who couldn't make it in the mainstream Irish republican movement so they broke away to form their own.

I would never consider Irish Republicans to be "mainstream" in the first place . 'Mainstream' as opposed to what , exactly ?

The majority of people in the Six Counties who regard themselves as Irish republicans support Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA. To me, that makes them the mainstream.

by vetting them and making enquiries in their community - as has always been done (prior to 1986 anyway).

And how would they vet them? Only recruit non-violent people into the Provisional IRA?

I pointed out that ten people had been expelled from the Provisionals , you claimed , in a post , that only "one drunken man " was responsible . I asked did that make sense ? You replied as per the above quote .
Not an answer , Diarmuid
.

These people have been expelled subject to investigation. As yet there is no evidence that this was anything more than the violent actions of one or two men.

I am saying that head-cases like that should never have been accepted in the first place . The PIRA have fouled their own name and standing by allowing people like those to join .

And how do you filter out the head cases? It is not as if the PIRA can hire a bunch of psychiatrists to screen their recruits.

The "conspiracy" remark I have already addressed . And your comments here , Diarmuid , could have been made by any of the Provo-camp 'clones' for whom their organisation can do no wrong . Follow the policy , not the man . Think things through for yourself , even if that means questioning part policy .

I have thought things through unlike desperate dissidents like yourselves who will believe anything negative about Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA.

 
At 3:14 PM, Blogger John said...

" You are the one who used the word disease, not me. Personally, I regard the dissidents as a bunch of losers who couldn't make it in the mainstream Irish republican movement so they broke away to form their own. "
-- I asked , from reading a post you published , if you considered "dissidents" a 'disease' ; still waiting on a "Yes" or "No" answer.....
"...bunch of losers... " ? Why ? Because we continue to reject Westminster , Stormont and Leinster House ? We are Irish Republicans , Diarmuid , not constitutionalists . Was Emmet "a loser" ? Or Tone ? Or Pearse ? They rejected constitutionalism too .

"The majority of people in the Six Counties who regard themselves as Irish republicans support Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA. To me, that makes them the mainstream."
-- Again - had Pearse got "majority" support ? Or Tone ? Or Emmet ? If the "Majority" lead in a certain direction , does it mean that you automatically follow ? Apparently so !

"And how would they vet them? Only recruit non-violent people into the Provisional IRA? "
-- Common sense can play a part , Diarmuid (!) , as can making inquiries in that persons area . As stated .

"These people have been expelled subject to investigation. As yet there is no evidence that this was anything more than the violent actions of one or two men."
-- "One or two men .... " : So 'one or two men...' butchered McCartney , near killed Devine , cleaned-up the blood etc in the pub , took the CCTV tape and told ,what , 70-odd customers to say nothing ? All "violent actions... " , and all done by "one or two men... " ? You think so ?


"And how do you filter out the head cases? It is not as if the PIRA can hire a bunch of psychiatrists to screen their recruits."
-- They never needed to in the past either ; by vetting proposed new members , as I have already said (three/four times!).

" I have thought things through unlike desperate dissidents like yourselves who will believe anything negative about Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA."
-- "...desperate dissidents... " ?
You sound like Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern there , Diarmuid !
And was'nt that what MacGiolla called the Provos in the early 1970's - " Desperate dissidents... " ? Events proved that the then SFWP were in the process of turning away from Republicanism ; here we go again ... !

Sharon.

 
At 9:47 AM, Blogger Diarmid said...

I asked , from reading a post you published , if you considered "dissidents" a 'disease' ; still waiting on a "Yes" or "No" answer.....
"...bunch of losers... " ? Why ? Because we continue to reject Westminster , Stormont and Leinster House ? We are Irish Republicans , Diarmuid , not constitutionalists . Was Emmet "a loser" ? Or Tone ? Or Pearse ? They rejected constitutionalism too
.

Look you are the one who brought up the word disease not me. As I have said I consider the dissidents to be a bunch of losers. Personally, I don't care if the dissidents support or reject constitutionalism. What I have a problem with is their willingness to believe everything the British tell them as long as it is anti-Sinn Fein and anti-Provisional IRA.

Again - had Pearse got "majority" support ? Or Tone ? Or Emmet ? If the "Majority" lead in a certain direction , does it mean that you automatically follow ? Apparently so !

Actually I think that you dissidents flatter yourselves when you compare yourselves to Pearse and other Irish republicans.

Common sense can play a part , Diarmuid (!) , as can making inquiries in that persons area . As stated .

I am very sure that if these two men had engaged in such violent behaviour before joing the PIRA then they would not have been allowed in.

"One or two men .... " : So 'one or two men...' butchered McCartney , near killed Devine , cleaned-up the blood etc in the pub , took the CCTV tape and told ,what , 70-odd customers to say nothing ? All "violent actions... " , and all done by "one or two men... " ? You think so ?

Again where is the evidence to support your claims? You are too willing to believe everything that the British tell you.

They never needed to in the past either ; by vetting proposed new members , as I have already said (three/four times!).

Now you are being really silly. The IRA always had problems with a minority of its members. It is just that in the past those members would have been executed.

You sound like Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern there , Diarmuid !
And was'nt that what MacGiolla called the Provos in the early 1970's - " Desperate dissidents... " ? Events proved that the then SFWP were in the process of turning away from Republicanism ; here we go again ...
!

No, someone who sounds like Blair or Ahern would be someone who believes everything that the British media tells them. Someone like yourself for example. What evidence do you have that Nationalists are turning towards your lot of sorry losers?

 
At 12:27 PM, Anonymous Lorenzo said...

You really should be more civil and welcoming to John/Sharon, he seems to be the only one has bothered to comment on your blogs.

Of course, with this comment, I have seemingly doubled your audience but don't get your hopes up - I won't be back. I prefer to read blogs that show at least some independence of thought, even if I don't agree with them. Yours unfortunately is just a regurgitated party line.

As for the article itself, it is despicable. Shame on you.

 
At 2:29 PM, Blogger Diarmid said...

You really should be more civil and welcoming to John/Sharon, he seems to be the only one has bothered to comment on your blogs.

How am I being uncivil? I am merely commenting on the poster's comments.

Of course, with this comment, I have seemingly doubled your audience but don't get your hopes up - I won't be back. I prefer to read blogs that show at least some independence of thought, even if I don't agree with them. Yours unfortunately is just a regurgitated party line.

I assure you that these are my views, not those of someone else. Just because you don't agree with me does not mean that I lack independence of thought.

As for the article itself, it is despicable. Shame on you.

Why?

 
At 3:10 PM, Blogger John said...

" Look you are the one who brought up the word disease not me. As I have said I consider the dissidents to be a bunch of losers. Personally, I don't care if the dissidents support or reject constitutionalism. What I have a problem with is their willingness to believe everything the British tell them as long as it is anti-Sinn Fein and anti-Provisional IRA."
-- " bunch of losers ... " ? Not strutting the world stage , you mean , like a 'non-loser' ... ?
The 'dissidents' are not the ones in negotiations with the British -
the Provisionals are !

"Actually I think that you dissidents flatter yourselves when you compare yourselves to Pearse and other Irish republicans."
-- and did'nt Pearse "flatter " himself , too , by comparing his actions with those of Emmet !!
You must be only new to what you consider 'republicanism' , Diarmuid - your 'arguments' are shallow .

" I am very sure that if these two men had engaged in such violent behaviour before joing the PIRA then they would not have been allowed in."
-- You are "very sure... " ; thats a relief to the McCartney family , I'm sure . Closing the stable doors after etc .

"Again where is the evidence to support your claims? You are too willing to believe everything that the British tell you."
-- as stated , Diarmuid - we "dissidents" are not in Downing Street hoping that Mr Blair will help us to solve HIS problem !

" Now you are being really silly. The IRA always had problems with a minority of its members. It is just that in the past those members would have been executed."
-- Well ! I can only hope that they asked the families of their errant members before doing the deed ... ! They would have been publicly disowned before being executed - they would not have been sheltered for ANY length of time .

" No, someone who sounds like Blair or Ahern would be someone who believes everything that the British media tells them. Someone like yourself for example. What evidence do you have that Nationalists are turning towards your lot of sorry losers? "
-- ... or everything that Gerry and Co. tells them ! "sorry losers... " - why not spit on us , too , as they done to other Republicans in days gone by ?

Another poster accused you (rightly , in my opinion) of being "uncivil" , to which you replied -
" How am I being uncivil? I am merely commenting on the poster's comments."
--- "...bunch of losers " ...." believe everything the British tell them "....." Now you are being really silly " ...." No, someone who sounds like Blair or Ahern would be someone who believes everything that the British media tells them. Someone like yourself for example."
That IS being "uncivil " , Diarmuid , and it is NOT "...answering my posts ... "
It is an attempt to belittle the messenger because you cannot handle the message . You follow the party line too closely - question their statements , Diarmuid : compare what they say (ie "not a bullet , not an ounce " - " we will lead you to the Republic " [1986] ) with what they do .

Sharon .

 
At 10:06 AM, Blogger Diarmid said...

" bunch of losers ... " ? Not strutting the world stage , you mean , like a 'non-loser' ... ?
The 'dissidents' are not the ones in negotiations with the British -
the Provisionals are
!

What exactly would the dissidents do if they were in charge of the Irish republican movement? I always hear the dissidents attacking Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA, yet they never seem able to come up with policies of their own.

and did'nt Pearse "flatter " himself , too , by comparing his actions with those of Emmet !!
You must be only new to what you consider 'republicanism' , Diarmuid - your 'arguments' are shallow
.

Again what would you dissidents do if you were in charge of the Irish republican movement? Would you restart the bombing campaign?

You are "very sure... " ; thats a relief to the McCartney family , I'm sure . Closing the stable doors after etc .

The PIRA have offered to execute McCartney's killers. What more would you have them do?

as stated , Diarmuid - we "dissidents" are not in Downing Street hoping that Mr Blair will help us to solve HIS problem !

That is because the dissidents are incapable of doing anything. All they can do is attack Sinn Fein and the PIRA but can can't come up with any alternative plans.

Well ! I can only hope that they asked the families of their errant members before doing the deed ... ! They would have been publicly disowned before being executed - they would not have been sheltered for ANY length of time .

How were they sheltered?

Another poster accused you (rightly , in my opinion) of being "uncivil" , to which you replied -
" How am I being uncivil? I am merely commenting on the poster's comments."
--- "...bunch of losers " ...." believe everything the British tell them "....." Now you are being really silly " ...." No, someone who sounds like Blair or Ahern would be someone who believes everything that the British media tells them. Someone like yourself for example."
That IS being "uncivil " , Diarmuid , and it is NOT "...answering my posts ... "
It is an attempt to belittle the messenger because you cannot handle the message . You follow the party line too closely - question their statements , Diarmuid : compare what they say (ie "not a bullet , not an ounce " - " we will lead you to the Republic " [1986] ) with what they do
.

What you call being uncivil, I call being honest. I consider you dissidents to be losers since all you can do is attack Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA but are unable to come up with any ideas of your own.

 
At 6:47 PM, Blogger John said...

" What exactly would the dissidents do if they were in charge of the Irish republican movement? I always hear the dissidents attacking Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA, yet they never seem able to come up with policies of their own. "

---the "dissidents" ARE in charge of the Irish Republican Movement , Diarmuid - it is not , and never has been , 'run' by a Leinster House party ; what a ridiculous notion ! Republicans have always been "dissidents" : did'nt you know ... ?
What about the 'EIRE NUA' policy , for one ? And read the RSF newspaper 'SAOIRSE' for even more policys , Diarmuid , if you are really interested .

"Again what would you dissidents do if you were in charge of the Irish republican movement? Would you restart the bombing campaign?"
-- Yes- in London , amongst other places . As the PIRA once did - no doubt you supported them when that was taking place ... ?

" The PIRA have offered to execute McCartney's killers. What more would you have them do?

-- "Offered " ? Proper "internal housekeeping" , as Marty's phone-friend Mo Mowlam called it . The people that carried out that butchery are animals , not Republican soldiers .

" That is because the dissidents are incapable of doing anything. All they can do is attack Sinn Fein and the PIRA but can can't come up with any alternative plans."

-- Again : read the 'EIRE NUA' document (and 'SAOL NUA' while you are at it). And Leinster House career politicians have always been verbally attacked by Republicans , Diarmuid - its not a new departure !

"How were they sheltered? "

--- How long between the killing and when the Provos 'fessed up ?
'Sheltered' .


" What you call being uncivil, I call being honest. I consider you dissidents to be losers since all you can do is attack Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA but are unable to come up with any ideas of your own. "

--- "honest ... " ? You don't know me at all to make those judgements on me , Diarmuid - how is that "honest" on your part ?
And , as stated : ALL Leinster House parties are 'fair game' for Irish Republicans - not just the PSF crowd . Republicans have never seen eye-to-eye with constitutionalists , and nor should they .

Sharon .

 
At 9:59 AM, Blogger Diarmid said...

the "dissidents" ARE in charge of the Irish Republican Movement , Diarmuid - it is not , and never has been , 'run' by a Leinster House party ; what a ridiculous notion ! Republicans have always been "dissidents" : did'nt you know ... ?
What about the 'EIRE NUA' policy , for one ? And read the RSF newspaper 'SAOIRSE' for even more policys , Diarmuid , if you are really interested
.

Well if you dissidents represent Irish republicanism why is it that all you can do is attack Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA?

"Offered " ? Proper "internal housekeeping" , as Marty's phone-friend Mo Mowlam called it . The people that carried out that butchery are animals , not Republican soldiers .

No one is saying that they are republican soldiers. That is why the PIRA offered to kill them.

Again : read the 'EIRE NUA' document (and 'SAOL NUA' while you are at it). And Leinster House career politicians have always been verbally attacked by Republicans , Diarmuid - its not a new departure !

But what are you dissidents doing to forward your agenda? All you people ever seem capable of doing is attacking Gerry Adams.

How long between the killing and when the Provos 'fessed up ?
'Sheltered'
.

The leadership didn't know who did the killings. Once they found out they offered to execute them for the McCartneys.

"honest ... " ? You don't know me at all to make those judgements on me , Diarmuid - how is that "honest" on your part ?
And , as stated : ALL Leinster House parties are 'fair game' for Irish Republicans - not just the PSF crowd . Republicans have never seen eye-to-eye with constitutionalists , and nor should they
.

So what is your solution then? More bombs?

 

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